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		<title>Comment on Five reasons ‘hire me’ Facebook ads need to die, now by yee</title>
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		<dc:creator>yee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Aug 2010 02:29:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The ad thing is actually a bad idea. There are certainly other ways to present yourself to prospective employers. First get in touch and know about the right people in that company, build up networks, write convincing resumes and project yourself as somebody good enough to take on any role if there is job opening. These will let people see your skills not a bunch of ads spending and I bet that won&#039;t work at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The ad thing is actually a bad idea. There are certainly other ways to present yourself to prospective employers. First get in touch and know about the right people in that company, build up networks, write convincing resumes and project yourself as somebody good enough to take on any role if there is job opening. These will let people see your skills not a bunch of ads spending and I bet that won&#8217;t work at all.<br />
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		<title>Comment on A ‘wonderful time to be in the news business’? by Dee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Aug 2010 05:36:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cecilia, 

I would like to add that the news media is saturated with windbags that sensationalize information without any substance.  Journalism is important and doing what you love is priceless but most of all do it well.  With so many choices out there, I want to listen to someone who knows their stuff without making it propaganda.  A refreshing point of view.  A new generation of intellectual thought....like you.  Keep up the good work and success will follow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cecilia, </p>
<p>I would like to add that the news media is saturated with windbags that sensationalize information without any substance.  Journalism is important and doing what you love is priceless but most of all do it well.  With so many choices out there, I want to listen to someone who knows their stuff without making it propaganda.  A refreshing point of view.  A new generation of intellectual thought&#8230;.like you.  Keep up the good work and success will follow.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Five reasons ‘hire me’ Facebook ads need to die, now by Marian Schembari</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marian Schembari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Apr 2010 20:02:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KT - My mom is the bestest of the best (and maybe needs a life, but I love her buckets)! Just jealous your mommy doesn&#039;t kick internet ass? ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KT &#8211; My mom is the bestest of the best (and maybe needs a life, but I love her buckets)! Just jealous your mommy doesn&#8217;t kick internet ass? <img src='http://www.dcecelia.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on Five reasons ‘hire me’ Facebook ads need to die, now by KT</title>
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		<dc:creator>KT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 17:45:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pretty funny that Marian&#039;s mom (Christine Negroni) finds it necessary to follow Marian around on the internet and defend her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pretty funny that Marian&#8217;s mom (Christine Negroni) finds it necessary to follow Marian around on the internet and defend her.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Five reasons ‘hire me’ Facebook ads need to die, now by 3 Annoying Comments Other Bloggers Made &#124; Marian Schembari</title>
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		<dc:creator>3 Annoying Comments Other Bloggers Made &#124; Marian Schembari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 06:12:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] because I&#8217;m absurdly cool. Some of that press wasn&#8217;t so positive, and since another pretty negative blog post cropped up recently I want to address some of the factors other bloggers have [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] because I&#8217;m absurdly cool. Some of that press wasn&#8217;t so positive, and since another pretty negative blog post cropped up recently I want to address some of the factors other bloggers have [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Five reasons ‘hire me’ Facebook ads need to die, now by 3 Annoying Comments Other Bloggers Made &#124; Marian Schembari</title>
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		<dc:creator>3 Annoying Comments Other Bloggers Made &#124; Marian Schembari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 06:12:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] because I&#8217;m absurdly cool. Some of that press wasn&#8217;t so positive, and since another pretty negative blog post cropped up recently I want to address some of the factors other bloggers have [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] because I&#8217;m absurdly cool. Some of that press wasn&#8217;t so positive, and since another pretty negative blog post cropped up recently I want to address some of the factors other bloggers have [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Five reasons ‘hire me’ Facebook ads need to die, now by dcecelia</title>
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		<dc:creator>dcecelia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 22:02:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the very thorough comment and thanks for visiting my blog. I did see your case studies through Poynter&#039;s post, but there were so many blog posts covering this topic that I guess the link got lost in the shuffle. I’ve updated the original post to add your link.

I think it&#039;s a good point that the ads aren&#039;t meant to land you a job, but rather just get you looked at, and that&#039;s a perspective I hadn&#039;t considered much before. The point that I wanted to get across was not that I hate those that use the ads or even the ads themselves — which I don’t — but that I would rather be noticed or recognized for some work that I had achieved, and not just ‘looked at’ because I threw down a couple of bucks.

Maybe it’s because I’ve just been really lucky, but I’m a big believer that if you work really hard to do some cool things and get to know other people who are doing even cooler things — and not just because you want to get a job, but because it’s your passion/field and &lt;em&gt;why wouldn’t you?&lt;/em&gt; — then you won’t have to go extremely out of your way to get people to notice you. 

I think it’s important to mention that I’m coming at these ads while wearing media industry goggles — I realize someone who was an HR or biology major may have a harder time “doing cool things” without the framework of an actual job or internship, but that’s not what I was referring to in this post. If you want a job in media, there are much, much better ways to show that you’re technologically competent.

And yes, Facebook and Google are creepy. We all think they’re creepy. Just because I use (and love) them doesn’t mean that I think they should get rid of targeted advertisements. It just means I think they’re creepy. 

Like I said, maybe I just don’t have the right perspective — I had a job right out of school, and had already been freelancing for several months before that, so I didn’t have to go through that panicky, desperate feeling that I’m sure is extremely difficult for the many that are experiencing it. And, I can’t say that I’ve come up with a better solution. I just think there are more quality ways to go about getting yourself noticed.

Thanks again for your comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the very thorough comment and thanks for visiting my blog. I did see your case studies through Poynter&#8217;s post, but there were so many blog posts covering this topic that I guess the link got lost in the shuffle. I’ve updated the original post to add your link.</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s a good point that the ads aren&#8217;t meant to land you a job, but rather just get you looked at, and that&#8217;s a perspective I hadn&#8217;t considered much before. The point that I wanted to get across was not that I hate those that use the ads or even the ads themselves — which I don’t — but that I would rather be noticed or recognized for some work that I had achieved, and not just ‘looked at’ because I threw down a couple of bucks.</p>
<p>Maybe it’s because I’ve just been really lucky, but I’m a big believer that if you work really hard to do some cool things and get to know other people who are doing even cooler things — and not just because you want to get a job, but because it’s your passion/field and <em>why wouldn’t you?</em> — then you won’t have to go extremely out of your way to get people to notice you. </p>
<p>I think it’s important to mention that I’m coming at these ads while wearing media industry goggles — I realize someone who was an HR or biology major may have a harder time “doing cool things” without the framework of an actual job or internship, but that’s not what I was referring to in this post. If you want a job in media, there are much, much better ways to show that you’re technologically competent.</p>
<p>And yes, Facebook and Google are creepy. We all think they’re creepy. Just because I use (and love) them doesn’t mean that I think they should get rid of targeted advertisements. It just means I think they’re creepy. </p>
<p>Like I said, maybe I just don’t have the right perspective — I had a job right out of school, and had already been freelancing for several months before that, so I didn’t have to go through that panicky, desperate feeling that I’m sure is extremely difficult for the many that are experiencing it. And, I can’t say that I’ve come up with a better solution. I just think there are more quality ways to go about getting yourself noticed.</p>
<p>Thanks again for your comment.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Five reasons ‘hire me’ Facebook ads need to die, now by Willy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Willy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 20:54:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi D. Cedelia,

I&#039;m the guy who thought of this first, so I guess that I bear responsibility for unleashing it on the world. I&#039;m surprised that you didn&#039;t come across the original case study when you writing this article (you can find it here: http://www.onedayonejob.com/blog/use-facebook-ads-to-make-employers-hunt-you-down/).

I appreciate the fact that you don&#039;t really like the idea behind this strategy, but you don&#039;t make a very good case for your argument.

Here&#039;s my take on each of your points.

1. Are they a fad?

Maybe. The idea has been around for a year and a half, and it seems to be gaining, not losing, momentum. It has a record of being effective at generating leads, and until it stops working, people won&#039;t stop doing. I&#039;m not sure if the tactic will become more or less effective as more people try it. Employers will probably get used to it and those who were skeptical may be more interested as they see more of these ads, but the idea also won&#039;t seem so creative. I think it&#039;ll probably be less effective a few years from now, but I wouldn&#039;t call it a fad.

2. Is it creepy?

Yes. Facebook is a free service. It is paid for by targeted advertising. If that creeps you out, then stop using Facebook (and Google too). Isn&#039;t it creepier that Facebook ads target you with dating and weight loss ads? Isn&#039;t it creepier that Google knows more about you than your closest friends? If you want to enjoy Web 2.0 technologies, then you need to get over it. There&#039;s only one way to determine whether pictures work or not. TEST TEST TEST! Run two ads, one with a picture and one without. My take is that the picture will get more clicks.

3. Can they replace networking?

Of course not. Can they help it. Absolutely. Nearly everybody that I&#039;ve spoken to who has tried using Facebook ads for job search has made new connections because of it. Networking is really hard for new grads. This is a fantastic way for them to meet new people who can help them with the job search. The results back this up.

4. Do they demonstrate your skills?

YES! YES! YES! and YES! Are you kidding me? Running an advertising campaign on Facebook doesn&#039;t demonstrate skills? This is the definition of demonstrating skills. This is an actual thing that people do in entry level jobs. Your point makes no sense. The goal of the ad is to get clicked by the right people. That&#039;s it. Whatever the ad links to should help demonstrate more skills, but the ad campaign itself is proof that the person is at least someone technologically competent.

5. Do they work?

If you read my case study, you&#039;d know that they do. There&#039;s hard data there about the number of responses to the ads. Now, the ads won&#039;t land you a job, but they will get you looked at. that&#039;s all that you can ask for these days. Landing the job is an entirely different beast, and that&#039;s not the point of the ads. It&#039;s to get your foot in the door. It has done that time after time.


I realize that their are flaws in the idea and that it isn&#039;t perfect, but it gives students an edge for a very small investment. The reason that Facebook is the place for this is because of the way their ad platform works. I&#039;ll be the first to admit that LinkedIn is a much better place for this, but unfortunately they don&#039;t offer the flexibility, affordability, and targetability that Facebook does.

Maybe you should sit down with your boyfriend and help him try it. See for yourself how effective it is. And test test test! I wish that more of the students who tried this were aware of the power of A/B testing.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi D. Cedelia,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m the guy who thought of this first, so I guess that I bear responsibility for unleashing it on the world. I&#8217;m surprised that you didn&#8217;t come across the original case study when you writing this article (you can find it here: <a href="http://www.onedayonejob.com/blog/use-facebook-ads-to-make-employers-hunt-you-down/)" rel="nofollow">http://www.onedayonejob.com/blog/use-facebook-ads-to-make-employers-hunt-you-down/)</a>.</p>
<p>I appreciate the fact that you don&#8217;t really like the idea behind this strategy, but you don&#8217;t make a very good case for your argument.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s my take on each of your points.</p>
<p>1. Are they a fad?</p>
<p>Maybe. The idea has been around for a year and a half, and it seems to be gaining, not losing, momentum. It has a record of being effective at generating leads, and until it stops working, people won&#8217;t stop doing. I&#8217;m not sure if the tactic will become more or less effective as more people try it. Employers will probably get used to it and those who were skeptical may be more interested as they see more of these ads, but the idea also won&#8217;t seem so creative. I think it&#8217;ll probably be less effective a few years from now, but I wouldn&#8217;t call it a fad.</p>
<p>2. Is it creepy?</p>
<p>Yes. Facebook is a free service. It is paid for by targeted advertising. If that creeps you out, then stop using Facebook (and Google too). Isn&#8217;t it creepier that Facebook ads target you with dating and weight loss ads? Isn&#8217;t it creepier that Google knows more about you than your closest friends? If you want to enjoy Web 2.0 technologies, then you need to get over it. There&#8217;s only one way to determine whether pictures work or not. TEST TEST TEST! Run two ads, one with a picture and one without. My take is that the picture will get more clicks.</p>
<p>3. Can they replace networking?</p>
<p>Of course not. Can they help it. Absolutely. Nearly everybody that I&#8217;ve spoken to who has tried using Facebook ads for job search has made new connections because of it. Networking is really hard for new grads. This is a fantastic way for them to meet new people who can help them with the job search. The results back this up.</p>
<p>4. Do they demonstrate your skills?</p>
<p>YES! YES! YES! and YES! Are you kidding me? Running an advertising campaign on Facebook doesn&#8217;t demonstrate skills? This is the definition of demonstrating skills. This is an actual thing that people do in entry level jobs. Your point makes no sense. The goal of the ad is to get clicked by the right people. That&#8217;s it. Whatever the ad links to should help demonstrate more skills, but the ad campaign itself is proof that the person is at least someone technologically competent.</p>
<p>5. Do they work?</p>
<p>If you read my case study, you&#8217;d know that they do. There&#8217;s hard data there about the number of responses to the ads. Now, the ads won&#8217;t land you a job, but they will get you looked at. that&#8217;s all that you can ask for these days. Landing the job is an entirely different beast, and that&#8217;s not the point of the ads. It&#8217;s to get your foot in the door. It has done that time after time.</p>
<p>I realize that their are flaws in the idea and that it isn&#8217;t perfect, but it gives students an edge for a very small investment. The reason that Facebook is the place for this is because of the way their ad platform works. I&#8217;ll be the first to admit that LinkedIn is a much better place for this, but unfortunately they don&#8217;t offer the flexibility, affordability, and targetability that Facebook does.</p>
<p>Maybe you should sit down with your boyfriend and help him try it. See for yourself how effective it is. And test test test! I wish that more of the students who tried this were aware of the power of A/B testing.<br />
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		<dc:creator>dcecelia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 04:06:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree. Bigger newspapers can get away with a business mentality, but when you&#039;re understaffed, you&#039;re all in it together.

I&#039;m glad to hear things are working out!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree. Bigger newspapers can get away with a business mentality, but when you&#8217;re understaffed, you&#8217;re all in it together.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad to hear things are working out!</p>
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		<title>Comment on jQuery: Dealing with an unmotivated editorial staff by Kali</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kali</dc:creator>
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		<description>I really think it&#039;s important to make sure everyone feels like they&#039;re on a team. &#039;Together we rise, divided we fall&#039; kind of thing. I&#039;m all too familiar with this situation and I took some of your advice and instituted it in my last meeting. Writing everything on the board really helped give everyone (including me!) a visual of how much there really is to be done. 

Since then everyone seems to be stepping up and, dare I say, kind of excited to participate. Fingers crossed that it lasts the semester!
 
Thanks Cecelia!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really think it&#8217;s important to make sure everyone feels like they&#8217;re on a team. &#8216;Together we rise, divided we fall&#8217; kind of thing. I&#8217;m all too familiar with this situation and I took some of your advice and instituted it in my last meeting. Writing everything on the board really helped give everyone (including me!) a visual of how much there really is to be done. </p>
<p>Since then everyone seems to be stepping up and, dare I say, kind of excited to participate. Fingers crossed that it lasts the semester!</p>
<p>Thanks Cecelia!</p>
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